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	<title>Comments on: Born again (and alienation)</title>
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		<title>By: Bealers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bealers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 16:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike,

To clarify the militant comment. I wasn&#039;t suggesting that producing this website is militant as it plainly isn&#039;t. I was more meaning that we&#039;re going to do things like attend protests in the future and be a bit more shouty about our opinions.

I think a lot more shouting is needed if Ed Milliband&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://transitionculture.org/2009/05/25/ed-milliband/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;interview at the recent transition conference&lt;/a&gt; is anything to go by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike,</p>
<p>To clarify the militant comment. I wasn&#8217;t suggesting that producing this website is militant as it plainly isn&#8217;t. I was more meaning that we&#8217;re going to do things like attend protests in the future and be a bit more shouty about our opinions.</p>
<p>I think a lot more shouting is needed if Ed Milliband&#8217;s <a href="http://transitionculture.org/2009/05/25/ed-milliband/" rel="nofollow">interview at the recent transition conference</a> is anything to go by.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 09:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey both. 

You know what I think about your venture: massive quantities of respec&#039;, and also a fair old sprinkling of jealousy, too. 

I can only see this subjectively - and from that perspective, I don&#039;t see how what you&#039;re doing can be compared to the &quot;in your faceness&quot; of religious zealotry. The difference to me lies somewhere around the *informed* nature of what you&#039;re doing. The naysayers about climate change are becoming fewer - trending to zero - in the face of massive, distributed, intelligent evidence. And, as you say, the value of &lt;a href=&quot;http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/pascals-wager-and-climate-change.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pascal&#039;s Wager&lt;/a&gt; (which, ironically, was originally positioned as a reason for believing in God..), is still there even if you&#039;re wrong. There is no downside to what you&#039;re doing. And if it alienates people, well - frankly - tough.

I&#039;d personally rather see *more* passionate conversations about religion, climate change AND politics. I&#039;m pretty full of atheism, too, but I think floppy-armed (thanks, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope-1Zb5t-k&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Eddie&lt;/a&gt;) - &quot;oo, better keep quiet in case we upset someone&quot; doesn&#039;t do anyone any good at all.

This to me is more about passion, excitement and stepping outside of the norm. I don&#039;t actually see it as &quot;militant&quot; (although I know what you&#039;re getting at). 

Frankly, if you start wearing socks and sandals, rock on. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey both. </p>
<p>You know what I think about your venture: massive quantities of respec&#8217;, and also a fair old sprinkling of jealousy, too. </p>
<p>I can only see this subjectively &#8211; and from that perspective, I don&#8217;t see how what you&#8217;re doing can be compared to the &#8220;in your faceness&#8221; of religious zealotry. The difference to me lies somewhere around the *informed* nature of what you&#8217;re doing. The naysayers about climate change are becoming fewer &#8211; trending to zero &#8211; in the face of massive, distributed, intelligent evidence. And, as you say, the value of <a href="http://radar.oreilly.com/2009/01/pascals-wager-and-climate-change.html" rel="nofollow">Pascal&#8217;s Wager</a> (which, ironically, was originally positioned as a reason for believing in God..), is still there even if you&#8217;re wrong. There is no downside to what you&#8217;re doing. And if it alienates people, well &#8211; frankly &#8211; tough.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d personally rather see *more* passionate conversations about religion, climate change AND politics. I&#8217;m pretty full of atheism, too, but I think floppy-armed (thanks, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ope-1Zb5t-k" rel="nofollow">Eddie</a>) &#8211; &#8220;oo, better keep quiet in case we upset someone&#8221; doesn&#8217;t do anyone any good at all.</p>
<p>This to me is more about passion, excitement and stepping outside of the norm. I don&#8217;t actually see it as &#8220;militant&#8221; (although I know what you&#8217;re getting at). </p>
<p>Frankly, if you start wearing socks and sandals, rock on. :-)</p>
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